These first two questions come from RV Sarah (here’s her Meet a Reader post!)
1) Do you include paper products (paper plates, napkins, toilet paper, paper towels, etc) in your grocery totals? Or, if not now, did you include those things when you had a house full of kids you were raising? Or do you keep those in a separate category in your budget?
Yup, I lump it all together into one budget item. However, I use very few paper towels, and I almost never have paper plates on hand. So, napkins and toilet paper are the main paper products I buy.
Plates are just so easy to wash in the dishwasher, I find it simple to forgo paper plates.
And generally, I prefer to use cloth dishcloths/towels vs. paper towels. I mainly use paper towels for things like draining fried foods or patting meat dry before cooking, so a roll lasts me a long time.
Going back to your question, though, I don’t think it much matters if you divide edible vs non-edible grocery items in your budget. It’s just a difference in categorization, not actual spending. 🙂
2) In one of your recent posts (Hoarding [Maximalism] Vs Minimalism) you mentioned that you try to simplify your food stock at home (I’m paraphrasing) by not carrying too much extra. Do you not worry about things like impending strikes that might impact merchandise stock or any of the other possible variables that could cause store shelves to go empty? It seems that, more often than not, if I hold off on buying something then when I DO go to buy the product, the price has increased significantly. That drives me batty! In fact, the way the online stores like Amazon constantly change the prices so drastically in either direction is enough to make a person nuts! When do you think it’s worth it to have extra food/paper products/toiletries around?
More context is that I am a worrier (not extreme but maybe more than “normal” – – – whatever that is). And I grew up in a house where my mom was always either running out of things or going to the very last drop of something before replacing it. I have distinct memories of all 6 of our family members trying to squeeeeeeze a tiny drop of toothpaste out of the tube waiting for “shopping day” when my mom would pick more up. (Part of that was her extreme frugality and holding off on buying anything until absolutely necessary.) So I have an aversion to running out of things. And the final piece of this puzzle is that I now live in a place (Arizona) where, in the winter, we suddenly have a million extra people (snowbirds) and the stores have a hard time keeping up. I’m finding it really difficult to navigate my worries with what’s a reasonable, rational mindset for the stock I keep. One of my intentions for 2025 is to simplify our food, overstock and grocery bills.
I think your history makes your feelings so understandable!
In terms of my own food stock at home, I try not to keep more around than I can reasonably use before it expires. But this is less about maintaining a minimalist pantry and more about trying to avoid waste. I try to buy what I will use, and I try to rotate through the food I buy so it doesn’t expire/mold/etc.
I never run as low as it sounds like your mom did; I always have a decent supply of food in my pantry and my chest freezer. And in terms of non-edibles, I keep an extra pack of toilet paper, and a few extras of things like toothpaste, shampoo, conditioner, floss, and bar soap.
Basically, I have enough of a cushion that if I don’t get to the store right on time, or if a store is out of something for a bit, I’m not gonna go without.
And that also saves me from having to do things like a last-minute run to CVS and pay a super high price for toothpaste or toilet paper.
(Also when a snowstorm is in the forecast, I am never the person that has to scramble to the store to buy toilet paper and bread. Ha.)
As with almost everything else in life, the “right” amount of stock for you might not be the same as for someone else. Your own comfort level, your storage capacity, and the particular variations in your area (like your snowbird situation!) will need to guide you.
Molasses oatmeal bread, but as rolls
I made your oatmeal bread recipe and it was just delicious!!!! Wanting to make dinner rolls out of the recipe, but unsure of how many it would yield. Any suggestions on dividing the dough into rolls? Do you think 12 per loaf?
-Danielle
I’m so glad your bread was delicious. Yay you!
Here’s how I’d guesstimate this: each loaf of oatmeal bread has about 3 cups of flour in it. My basic roll recipe has about 2 1/4 cups of flour per 12 rolls.
So by those rough proportions, I’d say 12 rolls per loaf might give you pretty big rolls. I’d be inclined to try 18 to start with.
Like I always say….these are opportunities to try it and see! You could make a whole recipe of dough (two loaves worth), divide one half of the dough into 12 rolls and the other into 18, and see which end product you prefer.
Then write it down on the recipe page, and you’ll be all set for next time.
Cooking bacon
This is sort of a question for you guys! We had a little discussion in the comments the other day because Dori asked how I cook my bacon.
Since I’m making such small quantities these days, I usually just fry it up on the stovetop. I know baking bacon is super easy and produces delightful bacon, but turning on a whole oven for 2 servings of bacon seems a little wasteful to me.
So then I wondered about baking it in the toaster oven! I have never tried that, but it might work out great.
Have you guys tried that? And do you have any tips or tricks or warnings?
JNL
Thursday 9th of January 2025
Some deals turn up again and again, such as Buy 1 Get 1 for toothpaste and other toothcare , huge reductions for washing powder, coffee and more. Whenever an item has long shelf life I try to buy what I expect to need until the next offer comes up. We do not have such extreme conditions that I would need to store for months ahead, but also I do not like to be reduced to the last roll of TP. A question to you Kristen as a nurse - whenever I have recovered from a severe throat infection, I prefer to take a new tooth brush to prevent re-infection (If no illness I have a new toothbrush app. every 3 months). Am I being overcautious? (I used to microwave my toothbrushes in a bowl of water after sickness in the past. But we did not replace our microwave oven after it broke down. I only ever used it for that purpose and an occasional cup of hot milk. Not worth the money and space).
JNL
Thursday 9th of January 2025
@Kristen, Thanks for answering. So I am not alone in erring to the side of caution. If I am pretty sick I temporarily keep my toothbrush in my study which is to the other side of the bathroom. Also if other family members are coughing badly for instance. I am a bit more careful now than pre covid.
Kristen
Thursday 9th of January 2025
What I have been taught is that it is recommended to change your toothbrush once your infection has resolved, just out of an abundance of caution. :)
However, I don't think this is a super high priority action; as I understand it, the odds of reinfecting yourself from your own toothbrush are fairly low. Still, toothbrushes are not terribly expensive, so it's a pretty low-cost way of trying to make sure you don't get sick again.
If you have germs on your toothbrush and your toothbrush is stored near another family member's toothbrush, though, perhaps germs could spread that way.
Tiana
Wednesday 8th of January 2025
Iโd draw a line from North Dakota down through Texas. If you live east of that line you only have to go a few miles in any direction to find a place to get food water gas and any supplies. West of the line except for coastal states is empty and barren and lacking resources. Even a lake or stream is hard to find so better stock up. Last May when a mesocyclone wreaked havoc thousands of people were without power for 6 weeks and more. Their houses and cars were mostly fine just no utilities because power lines and trees had been ripped up everywhere. You could drive less than 10 miles to another town and buy all the groceries and stuff you could ever want just no way to store it or cook it. People were camping out in their houses I donโt know if they had cold running water. The couple of fast food places that happened to have electricity had lines blocks long of families getting something to eat. I happened to go in a Neighborhood market that had partial power and they were throwing out every single item in the freezers and refrigerated areas. They were even throwing out fresh produce because it was hot and they had spotty air conditioning. Restaurants were bringing in huge wood or propane cookers and cooking everything in their freezers and cold boxes before it went bad and giving free meals to anyone. Iโve been in tornadoes since I was a kid and Iโve never seen anything like this. There must have been 5 thousand trees ripped out of the ground. The clean up was staggering. Piles of trees multi stories high were systematically cut up and put through massive wood chippers into multi story piles of wood chips. I donโt know where they hauled it off to. Floods, Fires, Tornadoes, Hurricanes, fortunately no big earthquakes or volcanoes yet but honestly the potential exists. I remember turning on the tv to see what the weather was saying and the poor meteorologist was nearly ripping his hair out saying what is happening, this shouldnโt be happening lol.
Selena
Wednesday 8th of January 2025
@RV Sarah, not so sure your mother had not so much of a frugal mindset as cheap. Using up all the toothpaste is frugal, not having enough toothpaste for 1 to n people is cheap IMHO. I hope she wasn't that way with feminine hygiene products..
RVSarah
Thursday 9th of January 2025
@Selena,
No, she definitely wasn't that way with feminine hygiene products, thank goodness! The situation with the toothpaste didn't happen every week but I do remember it happening a couple times and it obviously had an effect on me. She was definitely very frugal but I'm sure it actually bordered cheap in some cases!
Maureen
Wednesday 8th of January 2025
We cook bacon in microwave with special pan that collects the grease and is microwave friendly. Especially if it is for a recipe. Extra stored in sealed container at room temp for couple days til used up. Room temp keeps the flavor.
Kim from Philadelphia
Wednesday 8th of January 2025
I cook bacon (pork or turkey) in the oven. Preheat oven to 350 Lay slices directly on cookie sheet Bake for 10 minutes Drain off grease and flip slices Continue to bake to desired crispness
Heidi Louise
Wednesday 8th of January 2025
@Kim from Philadelphia, I had read to not pre-heat the oven for bacon; start it in a cold oven. On the other hand, if you are using a George Forman grill, heat it before putting bacon on. (Sorry if this is a repeat-- I haven't made it through all the comments!).