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Monday Q&A | Destination Vacations and Unschooling

We’ll start things off with two related questions from the comment section of last week’s Q&A post.

Kids on a beach.

How do you feel about taking destination vacations? Like trips to Disneyworld?Disneyland? NYC? Is that something you would ever consider doing with your family?

-Wanda

Ooh, good question! And here’s a 2nd part for you – what about trips outside the USA or outside North America? I haven’t heard you talk much about those. Is it something you’re planning for one day? With a family of 6 it would certainly take a while to save up for.

-CB

Destination vacations aren’t something we’ve ruled out entirely…it’s just that we never felt the urge to do stuff like that while we had babies/toddlers/preschoolers. Going to the beach is hard enough with 4 small kids!

Also, since destination vacations are fairly expensive and we couldn’t afford to do them often, we’ve agreed that we want to take trips like that when the kids are old enough to remember them (for instance, for us it would have been silly to take our babies to Disney. We’d only be able to afford that once, and we want them to be old enough to really enjoy it.).

Zoe’s five now, which means that traveling has gotten to be much simpler than it was even just 3-4 years ago, so we’re pondering what trips we might like to take before Joshua’s off to college.

As far as the second question goes, I myself have actually never been outside of North America (I’ve been to Canada and I’ve traveled quite a lot of the United States). I think it would be neat to go see another country, but if we can’t ever manage to get the six of us on a plane, I won’t feel like I’ve failed (I think I’m pretty happy and well adjusted despite having never left North America).

I will say that both Mr. FG and I feel like the most valuable part of a vacation is not so much the destination but the company. Relaxation and relationship-building are what matter most to us, and we can provide those things for our family no matter where we can afford to vacation.

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I have 2 reader questions for you:
1) How do you determine the curriculum used for your children’s education?

2) Have you heard of “unschooling”? I know that you don’t pursue unschooling with your children, but as someone experienced with homeschooling, what’s your take on the unschooling and the value that it’s principles can bring to a philosophy on educating children? (If you’ve heard of it/think about it at all, others may not think about unschooling as much as I do!)

Context – from reading your blog and others, I have become fascinated with non-mainstream formats of education. I personally have only experienced traditional education through public schools and love hearing about these things from someone with different experiences.

-CB

A black and white photo of kids at a dining room table.

Curriculum

I’m not sure if you’re wondering how I decide what subjects to cover, or how I choose which particular books to use for those subjects. If it’s the former, that’s pretty standard, and our state laws require us to provide education in the subjects that would normally be taught in our public schools.

As far as particular curricula goes, I base my decisions off of my own experience as a homeschooled child, recommendations from family and friends, and research of my own.

Unschooling

I have indeed heard of unschooling. My hesitations about it stem from concern that I myself wouldn’t be disciplined enough to do a good job with it…unschooling actually does require a fair amount of work on the part of the parents. I also feel like keeping up with unschooling four children would be a little tricky for me and I worry they’d end up with educational gaps in some areas.

Also, (and of course, do keep in mind that I’ve not tried or experienced unschooling) I feel like there is some value in making my children do schoolwork that they’re not especially interested in. There are quite a few life situations that require you do to work you may not be inspired about, and you just have to do it anyway. So, though I do indeed encourage them to follow their interests and research things they like to learn about, I also am not at all uncomfortable drilling them on math facts (no one but Zoe really loves that!).

I’d say that we do some unschooling-style learning…we check out books and videos from the library on topics the kids are interested in, we looks things up on the internet when we wonder about them, and so on. For example, I’d say that almost all of Joshua’s knowledge of the animal kingdom has been obtained through unschooling methods (he’s read a bit about animals in his science books, but the information in those books is usually stuff he already knows).

And the same goes for Zoe’s fish knowledge…she reads fish books for fun, checks fish magazines out from the library, puts fish puzzles together, and watches educational DVDs about aquatic creatures just because she’s interested.

I think this sort of learning is great! Helping kids follow their passions and interests is wonderful, but I’m just not at the point where I’m willing to put their passions and interests in charge of their whole education. So, we read fish books AND do handwriting books, and we visit reptile shows AND use grammar workbooks.

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Readers, what are your thoughts on destination vacations and on unschooling?

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unschooling blogs

Thursday 4th of August 2011

Article written on your teaching style and your child learning style, what kind of hours of work and play, what are the your vacation plans. Some families plan a small vacation a week different times of the year. Nice blog, thank you for the share issue. Thank you. Stumbled!

STL Mom

Saturday 18th of June 2011

We went to Disney last year, and it was great. That said, I might have preferred to wait until our kids were older. They were seven and ten years old, and we could only stay in the parks for about four or five hours before they became tired and overstimulated. That was fine for us because the adults were tired too by then, and we could go back to our rental house and let the kids play in the pool. But I think my kids would have gotten a little more out of it a few years later. In terms of international vacations, my kids have been overseas a few times to visit relatives. I like to think that they learned something, but when my eight-year-old talks about our trip to Turkey, he doesn't talk about the ancient city of Ephesus, or the historic sites in Istanbul. Instead he talks about a resort we stayed at, and how much he liked the swimming pools. Basically, I think that travel is good for children, but not necessary. And if I had more than two kids, I'm not sure that I would ever get out of the house!

priskill

Wednesday 15th of June 2011

She is amazing! I confess I had no idea what one was until I saw her cake! :)

priskill

Tuesday 14th of June 2011

Well, as a chronic school-schooled daughter of a special ed. teacher who is also a special ed. teacher ( yikes -- was clear diction not in the curriculum at my elementary???) I had many preconceptions about home-schooling which your blog and the thoughtful comments that always attach to this issue here have quite dispelled. I can see that public school is not for everyone, and that home schooling can be a fabulous option -- just look at your creative, smart, imaginative kids! I agree with your approach to "unschooling" -- moderation in all things, including learning. Yes, kids may require some drill & kill but there's plenty of room for pursuing the stuff that is really interesting, as well. Hearing that 5 year old Zoe reads up on and investigates her great love -- Fish! -- is just about as inspiring as anything I've heard. I have to imagine that if you hadn't forced some issues -- letters, etc. -- her amazing literacy might not have happened. You helped her build the skills she needed to become an independent learner. And most of us need a nudge in those areas at first -- it's the rare learner who just intuits reading or math.

I do hear people's frustration with public education and i share some of these thoughts. But i think we are all after the same thing -- whether parents or school teachers: we really want to help kids learn. It has been a revelation to me that it can be done so well at home -- your blog & reader have helped me see that. Bravo!

Kristen

Wednesday 15th of June 2011

The really funny thing is that she's been "researching" fish for a number of years already. When she was 3, she pointed out a mola-mola to me in a Nat. Geographic movie (I had no idea what a mola-mola was before that!).

Shannon

Tuesday 14th of June 2011

One note on unschooling...whenever I've seen media coverage (like morning news programs) talking about it, it seems they pick the laziest looking families with jerk kids. This was how I first heard about unschooling and I remember thinking "what a bunch of dummies, who would do that?" Since that time I've learned via the internet that there are a lot of tremendous homeschooling and unschooling families. I wonder if the media goes looking for the worst possible examples; maybe to discourage people from leaving the traditional institutional education system.

Cortney

Tuesday 14th of June 2011

I've noticed this too, Shannon. It's not "sensational" enough to show a bunch of happy, well adjusted kids :)

I also find it interesting (Kristen, I'm not saying/thinking you're doing this on this post, I've just seen it in online debates) that traditional homeschoolers are so quick to defend the quality of the education they're giving their children, they maintain it's just as good as public school, etc... and yet so many traditional homeschoolers are so quick to turn on "un-schoolers" on forums and web sites and blast the education the "un-schooled" kids are getting. Seems like a bit of cannibalism to me. Like anything, homeschooling or un-schooling are as good as the people doing it. If the parents are working hard and involved, I'm sure the kids will turn out great :)

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